Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
By Andrew Hooper
April 18 2022
Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: Williams F1 (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2022 12:37
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Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: peterdebel (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2022 19:53
Oh, Lord.
Won't you gimme downforce and speed in the corners. PLEASE!!
All our competitors, seems to have it.
We know you can bring that to the team.
Won't you gimme downforce and speed in the corners. PLEASE!!
All our competitors, seems to have it.
We know you can bring that to the team.
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: Mehryar (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2022 20:10
It makes me puzzled abit.
Most likely due to my lack of knowledge but Dave and Alex' interview seem to be opposite.
As far as I know, low speed downforce which helps in slow corners is gained by body surface parts.Wings and those stuff.
Alex says this is out main issue and mid-high speed corner seems ok.
Dave says their main focus atm is working on underbody, probably floor and tunnels which helps mid-high speed corners, though it can help curing proposing issue and then make room for better ride height.
To me, they see main issues on 2 different subjects!

Most likely due to my lack of knowledge but Dave and Alex' interview seem to be opposite.
As far as I know, low speed downforce which helps in slow corners is gained by body surface parts.Wings and those stuff.
Alex says this is out main issue and mid-high speed corner seems ok.
Dave says their main focus atm is working on underbody, probably floor and tunnels which helps mid-high speed corners, though it can help curing proposing issue and then make room for better ride height.
To me, they see main issues on 2 different subjects!

Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 18/04/2022 21:09
Maybe Albon should ignore Robson and develop the car himself. With his own strategies I can see a podium by Spain.
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: SB308 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2022 00:15
What Dave Robson is saying is the go to approach to car development for every small team. I have heard Gary Anderson saying that a small team always develops the area of the car which they are strongest at.
For eg:- If a car from a small team is good in medium and high speed corners but weak in low speed corners then they will go for development in the strong areas of the car that is the medium and high speed stuff.
Alex approach to car development is the one which top teams aim for as they want to be good everywhere. You can see in his statement that he is talking about top teams car performance in slow corners as the area he wants to improve in the Williams.
I don't know really. Maybe it's Alex inexperience or hunger to propel the Williams team forward as fast as possible but I don't think he really knows how small teams operate compared to big teams.
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For eg:- If a car from a small team is good in medium and high speed corners but weak in low speed corners then they will go for development in the strong areas of the car that is the medium and high speed stuff.
Alex approach to car development is the one which top teams aim for as they want to be good everywhere. You can see in his statement that he is talking about top teams car performance in slow corners as the area he wants to improve in the Williams.
I don't know really. Maybe it's Alex inexperience or hunger to propel the Williams team forward as fast as possible but I don't think he really knows how small teams operate compared to big teams.
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Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2022 07:54
This is news to me. What would be the reason for small teams to focus efforts on their strengths rather than weaknesses?
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2022 08:46
I think there is something list in translation on this matter. Because teams did usually tend to pick the low hanging fruits for easy gains. Hence the; "a small team always develops the area of the car which they are strongest at".
But these days this is not really vailable anymore. You need the precious development time and budget to focus yourself on the root cause and not "waste" those allocated slots of time and sums of money on things you know you are good at. It's the reason why Ferrari hasn't brought out any significant updates yet. Because they know what the easy gains are but they focus themselves on the weaknesses to be able to aid development further down the line.
There is a completely new focus and tactic these days on development of a car. One could, in an extreme situation, now sort out the big weaknesses in order to have a good car next year. Something like throwing away one year to win it in another. Exactly what Ferrari did. And a tactic of which I can't shake the feeling that Williams is also onto. Because I can't find it anymore, but I believe it was The Race who stated last year, after the arrival of FX, that all the reorganizations were in place quite late for it to have a major effect on 2022.
If Dorilton calculates this season as an investment and Williams is thoroughly developing the major weaknesses, then next year's the easy gains will deliver more and thus the car could be further up the grid than one expects it to be. As long as they stick to the current philosophy that is.
But these days this is not really vailable anymore. You need the precious development time and budget to focus yourself on the root cause and not "waste" those allocated slots of time and sums of money on things you know you are good at. It's the reason why Ferrari hasn't brought out any significant updates yet. Because they know what the easy gains are but they focus themselves on the weaknesses to be able to aid development further down the line.
There is a completely new focus and tactic these days on development of a car. One could, in an extreme situation, now sort out the big weaknesses in order to have a good car next year. Something like throwing away one year to win it in another. Exactly what Ferrari did. And a tactic of which I can't shake the feeling that Williams is also onto. Because I can't find it anymore, but I believe it was The Race who stated last year, after the arrival of FX, that all the reorganizations were in place quite late for it to have a major effect on 2022.
If Dorilton calculates this season as an investment and Williams is thoroughly developing the major weaknesses, then next year's the easy gains will deliver more and thus the car could be further up the grid than one expects it to be. As long as they stick to the current philosophy that is.
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2022 11:41
Quote:AlanJones
I think there is something list in translation on this matter. Because teams did usually tend to pick the low hanging fruits for easy gains. Hence the; "a small team always develops the area of the car which they are strongest at".
But these days this is not really vailable anymore. You need the precious development time and budget to focus yourself on the root cause and not "waste" those allocated slots of time and sums of money on things you know you are good at. It's the reason why Ferrari hasn't brought out any significant updates yet. Because they know what the easy gains are but they focus themselves on the weaknesses to be able to aid development further down the line.
There is a completely new focus and tactic these days on development of a car. One could, in an extreme situation, now sort out the big weaknesses in order to have a good car next year. Something like throwing away one year to win it in another. Exactly what Ferrari did. And a tactic of which I can't shake the feeling that Williams is also onto. Because I can't find it anymore, but I believe it was The Race who stated last year, after the arrival of FX, that all the reorganizations were in place quite late for it to have a major effect on 2022.
If Dorilton calculates this season as an investment and Williams is thoroughly developing the major weaknesses, then next year's the easy gains will deliver more and thus the car could be further up the grid than one expects it to be. As long as they stick to the current philosophy that is.

Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2022 19:18
Good post. It's worth bearing in mind that teams nowadays have limited number of in season development tokens. Maybe Albon and Robson have different ideas where to use those tokens. Perhaps fixing a big weakness requires a whole package of changes that exceed the tokens, and that doing half the package only makes the car worse, so small teams with bigger issues may under some circumstances look for easy gains in season and focus on the package updates between seasons instead.
It's also possible that a team with major limitations may want one area they excel in, so if conditions are right they can get a good haul of points rather than having a car that's a bit quicker everywhere but which is still not good enough for points. This was apparently an approach williams deliberate took on the last car, designing a "peaky" car which smoked alfa romeo singlehandedly over 2 weekends.
It's also possible that a team with major limitations may want one area they excel in, so if conditions are right they can get a good haul of points rather than having a car that's a bit quicker everywhere but which is still not good enough for points. This was apparently an approach williams deliberate took on the last car, designing a "peaky" car which smoked alfa romeo singlehandedly over 2 weekends.
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: speed (IP Logged)
Date: 19/04/2022 22:31
Quote:crusty_bread
It's also possible that a team with major limitations may want one area they excel in, so if conditions are right they can get a good haul of points rather than having a car that's a bit quicker everywhere but which is still not good enough for points. This was apparently an approach williams deliberate took on the last car, designing a "peaky" car which smoked alfa romeo singlehandedly over 2 weekends.
Reminds me of Force India from 2009 (IIRC). Fisi was 2nd at Spa & Sutil was 4th at Monza.
PS: just checked, those 2 results lifted them above STR, who had the car more often in points but only minor points.
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2022 08:22
I just want to see the reality of competitiveness not a load of blar blar blar!
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: Andrew Hooper (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2022 09:46
Pretty sure that most people agree with the being competitive part but I for one like to at least get some sort of feedback from either the team or drivers as to where things are at and what is happening in the future.
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2022 10:27
I would love to see this car fighting in the points at most races.
It is a nice looking car, better with the nice paint scheme but at this stage beggers can not be chosers.
I will settle for the carbon fibre look, if it gives us a chance at poaching some points.

It is a nice looking car, better with the nice paint scheme but at this stage beggers can not be chosers.
I will settle for the carbon fibre look, if it gives us a chance at poaching some points.

Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: redline (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2022 12:25

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Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: Mr Brooksy (IP Logged)
Date: 20/04/2022 23:02
I thought development tokens were only for 2021 cars as they were the same as the 2020 cars with adjusted floors and other small modifications?
This is the first I've heard of development tokens being needed outside of 2021! Does someone have a news article or the regulation that states that tokens are in place for this year?
This is the first I've heard of development tokens being needed outside of 2021! Does someone have a news article or the regulation that states that tokens are in place for this year?
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: boro1986willliamsf1 (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2022 06:40
I've never read anywhere about development tokens for this year like you said Mr Brooksy I thought it was last year the token system was used and only allowed 2 this year with budget restrictions I think most teams with bring a major update and not a lot of small updates not like in the past when big teams brought updates every race whether they worked or not also there is restrictions on wind tunnel and CFD use for big teams
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WILL SUPPORT WILLIAMS AS LONG AS We HAVE A TEAM To Support
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: Mr Brooksy (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2022 06:51
Quote:crusty_bread
It's worth bearing in mind that teams nowadays have limited number of in season development tokens. Maybe Albon and Robson have different ideas where to use those tokens. Perhaps fixing a big weakness requires a whole package of changes that exceed the tokens, and that doing half the package only makes the car worse, so small teams with bigger issues may under some circumstances look for easy gains in season and focus on the package updates between seasons instead.
Sorry boro, I wasn't directly referring to your post, just the conversation about tokens that inevitably occurs when my side of the world is asleep.
It seems it was crusty_bread who first mentioned it (see above).
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2022 08:44
The tokens mentioned were, indeed, from the carry over season of last year. It was to prevent huge development of the cars as it was intended to run the 2020 and 2021 season under the same technical regulations. This because the 2022 cars were originally planned to enter service in 2021. But something with a virus and such..
Under the current regulations, all is development is limited by the budgetcap, limits for Restricted Wind Tunnel Time and Restricted Computational Fluid Dynamics.
To understand the RWTT and RCFD, Ive copy and pasted a list that does explain it. Bear in mind you will have to read it at least twice to be able to understand it all
P is the Competitor’s final position in the Constructors’ Championship of the previous year for the period 1 January to 30 June, or the position in the current championship.
Coefficient C as a function of Championship position;
- Value of C for 2021 in championship order 1st to 10th;
90%, 92.5%, 95%, 97.5%, 100%, 102.5%, 105%, 107.5%, 110%, 112.5%.
- Value of C for 2022-2025 in championship order 1st to 10th;
70%, 75%, 80%, 85%, 90%, 95%, 100%, 105%, 110%, 115%.
Windtunnel limits for C=100%:
- RWTT Runs 320
- RWTT Wind On Time 80 hours
- RWTT Occupancy 400 hours
CFD limits for C=100%:
- 3D new RATGs used for solve or # 2000 solve part of all RCFDs
- Compute used for solve part or MAUh 6 parts of all RCFDs
- Constructors’ Championship at the end of the day of 30 June, for the period 1 July to 31 December.
C is the coefficient (expressed in percentage form) by which the various parameters need to be multiplied in order to obtain the individual RWTT and RCFD limits for each Competitor. For RWTT Runs and RATGs the result of the multiplication will be rounded up to the nearest integer.
Under the current regulations, all is development is limited by the budgetcap, limits for Restricted Wind Tunnel Time and Restricted Computational Fluid Dynamics.
To understand the RWTT and RCFD, Ive copy and pasted a list that does explain it. Bear in mind you will have to read it at least twice to be able to understand it all
P is the Competitor’s final position in the Constructors’ Championship of the previous year for the period 1 January to 30 June, or the position in the current championship.
Coefficient C as a function of Championship position;
- Value of C for 2021 in championship order 1st to 10th;
90%, 92.5%, 95%, 97.5%, 100%, 102.5%, 105%, 107.5%, 110%, 112.5%.
- Value of C for 2022-2025 in championship order 1st to 10th;
70%, 75%, 80%, 85%, 90%, 95%, 100%, 105%, 110%, 115%.
Windtunnel limits for C=100%:
- RWTT Runs 320
- RWTT Wind On Time 80 hours
- RWTT Occupancy 400 hours
CFD limits for C=100%:
- 3D new RATGs used for solve or # 2000 solve part of all RCFDs
- Compute used for solve part or MAUh 6 parts of all RCFDs
- Constructors’ Championship at the end of the day of 30 June, for the period 1 July to 31 December.
C is the coefficient (expressed in percentage form) by which the various parameters need to be multiplied in order to obtain the individual RWTT and RCFD limits for each Competitor. For RWTT Runs and RATGs the result of the multiplication will be rounded up to the nearest integer.
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 21/04/2022 20:20
That's a great post thanks aj. I'm clearly still a bit rusty when it comes to recent technical regs!
These regs suggest there could be a continual closing up of the field over the next few years, provided the lower teams can afford to take advantage. Williams it turns out in 2022 aren't limited by tokens as you say, so the question is how big is williams budget and how much is left for development? This is now the limiting factor.
I read a very misleading article stating that costs were no concern for williams. What it meant was, when asked if the budget cap was a concern, the reply was no, as williams' budget was much lower than the cap. So the question is, what is williams budget and do they have the money left over after designing and building the car to use all their cfd and windtunnel time? If not, then whilst they are at much less of a disadvantage these days compared to top teams who are limited by the budget cap, they may need to get some serious results and prize money, or sponsorship, before they afford to fully maximise the budget cap and cfd/windtunnel time.
If anyone can answer I'd be very impressed!
These regs suggest there could be a continual closing up of the field over the next few years, provided the lower teams can afford to take advantage. Williams it turns out in 2022 aren't limited by tokens as you say, so the question is how big is williams budget and how much is left for development? This is now the limiting factor.
I read a very misleading article stating that costs were no concern for williams. What it meant was, when asked if the budget cap was a concern, the reply was no, as williams' budget was much lower than the cap. So the question is, what is williams budget and do they have the money left over after designing and building the car to use all their cfd and windtunnel time? If not, then whilst they are at much less of a disadvantage these days compared to top teams who are limited by the budget cap, they may need to get some serious results and prize money, or sponsorship, before they afford to fully maximise the budget cap and cfd/windtunnel time.
If anyone can answer I'd be very impressed!
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2022 00:18
Quote:rusty_breadcrusty_bread
I'm clearly still a bit rusty
Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: redline (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2022 05:00

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Re: Williams Racing FW44 possibilities for improvement?
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 22/04/2022 06:53
Quote:AnderisQuote:rusty_breadcrusty_bread
I'm clearly still a bit rusty
LOL, good one
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