British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
By Andrew Hooper
July 19 2021
The results of the 2021 Britsih GP wouldsee the Williams racing Team drivers George Russell and Nicholas Latifi finish in 12th and 14th in a race that was run under the new format and that was also Red Flagged after a crash on the opoening lap between Verstappen and Hamilton. Again it was a race that promised so much for the Williams Racing Team but again failed to deliver with firstly poor starts hampering both drivers as well as the general lack of pace of the FW43B which was only ever going to allow them at best to finish outside the top ten. Twelfth for George was still a good result showing that the team is making progress but the points they are so keen to secure are just so elusive for the team.
British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: Williams F1 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 09:58
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Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 11:58
Personally I really aren’t bothered by the points at this stage. Williams seem to be making race by race progress. Understanding the car better I believe George said! That for me is good enough.
The points will follow at some time.
If they keep investing and aren’t compromising next years car we really could be in an excellent position for the start of 22.
This is a million miles away from where we have been in the recent past.
The points will follow at some time.
If they keep investing and aren’t compromising next years car we really could be in an excellent position for the start of 22.
This is a million miles away from where we have been in the recent past.
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 12:21
I'm bothered by our inability to score points.
First, Alfa Romeo is definetely within our reach when it comes to WCC and it would be nice to earn some more $$$ for 8th place in WCC instead of 9th. + beating 2 teams is always better for morale and PR than beating 1.
Second, Williams really don't deserve to be on such a long pointless streak with all the progress they've made recently. It's so ironic we scored a point in 2019 with that@#$%&of a car but can't do it in 2021 with a much better car. It would certainly help with negotiations with potential sponsors, new staff and drivers if we can prove we can score some points.
There's little point in improving pace if it doesn't translate to on track results, especially that we have completely new rules for 2022 and any performance improvements with this car won't carry into 2022.
It's frustrating that we can't put together a point scoring performance. It doesn't help that we're the only team above Haas who only ever has one driver in the mix.
I don't know what's with this weird tendency with Williams to not get the results the car deserves. It happened in 2009 (no podiums), 2011 (poor car overall but good pace in Australia and Monaco barely yielded any points), 2012 (only 8th in WCC with such a good car), 2014 (no race wins) etc. Even 2020 we were able to beat Haas a lot of the times but they scored points on 2 occasions and we didn't even once. Russell had 3 mechanical DNFs in his entire career and 2 of those were races where it looked like he was going to score points- what are the odds?
First, Alfa Romeo is definetely within our reach when it comes to WCC and it would be nice to earn some more $$$ for 8th place in WCC instead of 9th. + beating 2 teams is always better for morale and PR than beating 1.
Second, Williams really don't deserve to be on such a long pointless streak with all the progress they've made recently. It's so ironic we scored a point in 2019 with that@#$%&of a car but can't do it in 2021 with a much better car. It would certainly help with negotiations with potential sponsors, new staff and drivers if we can prove we can score some points.
There's little point in improving pace if it doesn't translate to on track results, especially that we have completely new rules for 2022 and any performance improvements with this car won't carry into 2022.
It's frustrating that we can't put together a point scoring performance. It doesn't help that we're the only team above Haas who only ever has one driver in the mix.
I don't know what's with this weird tendency with Williams to not get the results the car deserves. It happened in 2009 (no podiums), 2011 (poor car overall but good pace in Australia and Monaco barely yielded any points), 2012 (only 8th in WCC with such a good car), 2014 (no race wins) etc. Even 2020 we were able to beat Haas a lot of the times but they scored points on 2 occasions and we didn't even once. Russell had 3 mechanical DNFs in his entire career and 2 of those were races where it looked like he was going to score points- what are the odds?
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: ihme (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 13:38
Will will begin scoring points when we replace our current drivers.
It's pretty obvious what we're lacking when we have the car to score a point or two right now isnt it?
One is slow in quali and slow-ish in the race (a Palmer 2.0) and the other one is super quick over one lap but when he has to be anywhere else on the track than the perfect quali line he has no idea what to do or where to place his car.
It's pretty obvious what we're lacking when we have the car to score a point or two right now isnt it?
One is slow in quali and slow-ish in the race (a Palmer 2.0) and the other one is super quick over one lap but when he has to be anywhere else on the track than the perfect quali line he has no idea what to do or where to place his car.
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: Gunk (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 14:14
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It doesn't help that we're the only team above Haas who only ever has one driver in the mix.
I do think this is a huge issue . . . and it really has been going on forever . . . well, since Naka basically. A brief respite offered only by Massa/Bottas.
It can't be any more fun to sponsor a one-car team than it is to be a supporter. And it has made even less sense in years when we produced the odd good car.
This is finally an opportunity to dump all the overheads of in-house facilities which contribute nothing to competitiveness, only employment for no hopers.
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 16:08
Quote:Since Wurz actually. Rosberg beat him 10-0 in Q3 appearances in 2007. And Wurz' points tally only looked respectable because he had a lot of luck compared to Nico. Pace-wise he was nowhere most of the time. Nakajima was probably a slight improvement TBH.GunkQuote:Anderis
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It doesn't help that we're the only team above Haas who only ever has one driver in the mix.
I do think this is a huge issue . . . and it really has been going on forever . . . well, since Naka basically. A brief respite offered only by Massa/Bottas.
It can't be any more fun to sponsor a one-car team than it is to be a supporter. And it has made even less sense in years when we produced the odd good car.
It @#$%& me off so much that if something goes wrong with one car, the other is never up there to pick up the pieces and it goes on for much of the last 15 years.
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: Gunk (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 19:19
Quote:Anderis
Since Wurz actually. . .
Oh yes, forgot about him . . . well, almost totally invisible fading into overdue retirement . . .
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: rumble strip (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 21:05
So we are all hung up on getting this single point which is worth so much in TV rights money?
On Sunday, Red Bull pitted Perez on lap 49, gave him new rubber and sent him to get the fastest lap, which he did, taking one point off Lewis and maybe helping Max at the end of the season. Sergio's lap time was 1.28.67.
If we had stopped George on lap 50, given him the best remaining rubber and sent him out to do his one lap special, I think we can all agree Russell would have caned it round on lap 52 of 52.
On Friday night in qualifying for the Sprint, George took 8th with a time of 1.26.9. That's 1.7 seconds faster than Perez's fastest lap. Obviously you will have a kilo or two extra of fuel on board, but the cars were locked in parc ferme at the end of Friday and let back out only in controlled circumstances so they were largely unadjusted for the race. So if we had given it a go, it could well have given us a point which poodling round in 12th doesn't.
And I know that someone will say "you have to be in the top ten to get the fastest lap point". But I believe that rule has been waived this year - because Sergio came in from 10th, got the new rubber and finished in 16th - but with fastest lap. Look at the timings on the F1 main website if you don't believe me.
I think, with our car so resolutely unracy, this is our best chance of a point.
On Sunday, Red Bull pitted Perez on lap 49, gave him new rubber and sent him to get the fastest lap, which he did, taking one point off Lewis and maybe helping Max at the end of the season. Sergio's lap time was 1.28.67.
If we had stopped George on lap 50, given him the best remaining rubber and sent him out to do his one lap special, I think we can all agree Russell would have caned it round on lap 52 of 52.
On Friday night in qualifying for the Sprint, George took 8th with a time of 1.26.9. That's 1.7 seconds faster than Perez's fastest lap. Obviously you will have a kilo or two extra of fuel on board, but the cars were locked in parc ferme at the end of Friday and let back out only in controlled circumstances so they were largely unadjusted for the race. So if we had given it a go, it could well have given us a point which poodling round in 12th doesn't.
And I know that someone will say "you have to be in the top ten to get the fastest lap point". But I believe that rule has been waived this year - because Sergio came in from 10th, got the new rubber and finished in 16th - but with fastest lap. Look at the timings on the F1 main website if you don't believe me.
I think, with our car so resolutely unracy, this is our best chance of a point.
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 19/07/2021 22:28
Quote:No, this rule is still in place. Perez had 104 points after Austria and still has 104 points after Silverstone.rumble strip
And I know that someone will say "you have to be in the top ten to get the fastest lap point". But I believe that rule has been waived this year - because Sergio came in from 10th, got the new rubber and finished in 16th - but with fastest lap. Look at the timings on the F1 main website if you don't believe me.
The fastest lap is still credited to you in the statistics even if you finish outside top10, but to get the point, you need to finish inside top10.
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: rumble strip (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2021 09:24
Oh well, that's a shame. It was a nice idea that amused me whilst sat outside a hospital for 6 hours, awaiting news of Mrs R. (Good news in the event.) But it explains why only the top 4-5 cars can make it worthwhile, given 25 seconds dropped on the tyre change. Effectively it is a extra point that only the top teams can ever win it - or in this case, can deny another top team from winning it.
Re: British GP: Williams Racing No points but positive race
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 23/07/2021 09:47
Like the rest of you guys no real idea why George can qualie so well in this car now but come Sunday look so very average to poor again.
Remember the new team are trying to make a silk Purse out of a Sow,s ear.
Not going to happen.
Seems slow off the start line.
Seems to struggle more on opening lap or 2.
Seems to use up it,s tires faster
Seems cumbersome of high fuel load.
Drivers ??
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:07:23:09:58:33 by GPL.
Remember the new team are trying to make a silk Purse out of a Sow,s ear.
Not going to happen.
Seems slow off the start line.
Seems to struggle more on opening lap or 2.
Seems to use up it,s tires faster
Seems cumbersome of high fuel load.
Drivers ??
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:07:23:09:58:33 by GPL.
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