Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
By Williams F1 Team
September 4 2012
Williams F1 Chief Operations Engineer Mark Gillan gives us his thoughts as to the 2012 Belgian Grand Prix.
Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: Williams F1 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 09:30
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Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 10:26
Quote:If it was only a damaged front wing, it certainly was solved before the race.Marki Gillan
Unfortunately Bruno's qualifying was hampered by a spin and a subsequent aerodynamic loss on the next run as a result of a damaged front wing.
So if there was not any aerodynamics problem, it was quite poor showing from Bruno. He was on a comparable level to both Toro Rossos and di Resta with failed KERS. If not first lap crash, he would have never been in course for some points in the car that could qualified 3rd.
I feel sorry for Mark that he has to explain while drivers failed to deliver race after race.
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: ADW (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 12:19
Both Toro Rossos and Diresta were on a 2 stop strategy.
Bruno was 1 stopping... Pace explained.
Bruno did well given the situation he found himself in on Sunday.
Bruno was 1 stopping... Pace explained.
Bruno did well given the situation he found himself in on Sunday.
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 14:10
I wish they would allow Mark to tell us the truth, we all know what he would say , just want to hear it from the team.
Woefull performance yet again by both drivers.
If we had 2 top drivers in the 34 we would be challenging for both championships this season.
Woefull performance yet again by both drivers.
If we had 2 top drivers in the 34 we would be challenging for both championships this season.
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 14:41
Quote:No, he didn't do well. He was 8th after 1st lap accident and he didn't finish in points while all Maldonado, Alonso, Hamilton, Grosjean, Perez, Kobayashi were out of the chase for points and Rosberg was struggling.ADW
Both Toro Rossos and Diresta were on a 2 stop strategy.
Bruno was 1 stopping... Pace explained.
Bruno did well given the situation he found himself in on Sunday.
I'm not going to agree that this car needs perfect strategy to beat Toro Rosso. Bruno didn't capitalise the advantage of having 1 stop less because he was too slow. Damn, drivers who have finished the race 1st and 2nd were also on one stop strategy, so it wasn't the strategy which was ruining driver's races if the pace was good enough. Senna's pace wasn't good enough. That's it.
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 14:46
And another thing is that if he could overtake Toro Rossos during his 1st stint, there would be no need of going for 1 stop strategy. They wen't for it because Senna was too slow to gaining the positions on track.
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: williamsf1FW34 (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 14:52
Quote:Anderis
And another thing is that if he could overtake Toro Rossos during his 1st stint, there would be no need of going for 1 stop strategy. They wen't for it because Senna was too slow to gaining the positions on track.
Thats incorrect senna was faster than di resta and he finished 1 sec behind ricchardo and 4 sec behind vergne so senna could be 8 with a 2 stopper he had the top speed to overtake
if u look at f1mw.pl u can see his pace was better than 1 of the torro rosso s and di resta
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 15:04
Man, I always look at f1wm.pl because it was my first F1 site I was registered.
To lap 10 they were doing very comparable times.
Then di Resta pitted and was doing better times.
Then Senna pitted and did 2 laps faster than di Resta, but between laps 20-26 di Resta had slighty better pace than Senna despite older tyres!
Then di Resta pitted and had comfortably better pace than Senna.
Senna pitted at the end of the race and was the fastest man on the track as he had by far fresher tyres than anyone else.
Quote:Why didn't he overtake Vergne during first 12 laps then?williamsf1FW34
he had the top speed to overtake
Quote:No he wasn't:williamsf1FW34
Thats incorrect senna was faster than di resta
To lap 10 they were doing very comparable times.
Then di Resta pitted and was doing better times.
Then Senna pitted and did 2 laps faster than di Resta, but between laps 20-26 di Resta had slighty better pace than Senna despite older tyres!
Then di Resta pitted and had comfortably better pace than Senna.
Senna pitted at the end of the race and was the fastest man on the track as he had by far fresher tyres than anyone else.
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: rpaloschi (IP Logged)
Date: 04/09/2012 23:37
He simply was slow and had no confidence to even try to overtake on the first stint, that was@#$%&in therms of pace.
I cannot understand that people insist in saying that Senna's pace is good on this race and good on that race and that he needs to improve in qualifying and he will do OK. Bullshit, if he improves his qualifying performance and race with this pace the only results will be eventual 7, 8 places as he is been doing all this season.
He is simply not up to the car, simply as that. Maldonado does have the speed but is brainless. Senna doesn't have the speed, period.
What a season...
I cannot understand that people insist in saying that Senna's pace is good on this race and good on that race and that he needs to improve in qualifying and he will do OK. Bullshit, if he improves his qualifying performance and race with this pace the only results will be eventual 7, 8 places as he is been doing all this season.
He is simply not up to the car, simply as that. Maldonado does have the speed but is brainless. Senna doesn't have the speed, period.
What a season...
Re: Belgian GP : Williams F1 GP Debrief
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 05/09/2012 21:33
I always like to work out what the championship table would look like in old money to get some perspective. Last year Williams scored 0 points, this year it's;
Mercedes - 24pts
Sauber - 17pts
Williams- 11pts
Force India- 6pts
Maldonado 10 pts
Senna 1 pt
Wins are relatively less well rewarded than they used to be, as Force India would be behind Williams using the old points system. It also shows how insignificant Senna and Maldonado's efforts have amounted to other than the race win. 1 point in the rain. We get excited about 7th and 8th nowadays, but in the 1980's and 90's that wasn't worth turning up for.
Mercedes - 24pts
Sauber - 17pts
Williams- 11pts
Force India- 6pts
Maldonado 10 pts
Senna 1 pt
Wins are relatively less well rewarded than they used to be, as Force India would be behind Williams using the old points system. It also shows how insignificant Senna and Maldonado's efforts have amounted to other than the race win. 1 point in the rain. We get excited about 7th and 8th nowadays, but in the 1980's and 90's that wasn't worth turning up for.
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