Time to copy diffuser design
By Andrew Hooper
April 16 2009
| Time to copy diffuser design |
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With the
announcement that the diffusers being run by the AT&T Williams, Toyota and
Brawn GP teams were legal has set off a rush by other teams to copy the
design. But for AT&T Williams driver Nico Rosberg it will takes the rival
teams a considerable time to not only copy them but to get them to work.
In regard to Brawn GP's
continued dominance Nico added: "A very strong chance, yeah... an extremely
strong chance. The thing that must be said is that the development rate of
this year's cars will be massive, because of the new rules. |
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In
an interview at Shanghai and reported in autosport.com Nico spoke of his
view that the other teams are going to find the process of modifying their
cars and make them fast not as simple as they would hope.Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Williams F1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 12:18
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Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: negotiator (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 13:10
rival fans of the diffuser 3 are SOOOOOOOOO STUPID.
They all think bolt one of these deiffusers on and wallah 1 second
They are so gonna be disappointed.
I think macca already attempted one of these diffusers in febuary but they coudnt get it to work.
I think the next step of upgrades the diffuser 3 take on the diffusers will be a bigger gain then the others will make just by creating one.
They all think bolt one of these deiffusers on and wallah 1 second
They are so gonna be disappointed.
I think macca already attempted one of these diffusers in febuary but they coudnt get it to work.
I think the next step of upgrades the diffuser 3 take on the diffusers will be a bigger gain then the others will make just by creating one.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: F1R (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 13:28
Tis a four way fight for the title...
And for once that includes Williams
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And for once that includes Williams
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Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 13:33
Quote:F1R
Tis a four way fight for the title...
And for once that includes Williams
F1Royal
I'm not so sure about that mate, or we start to score big points or nothing, at Barcelona I think we will see the trend for the rest of the season.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Mehryar (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 14:00
Nico said: "It will take many races for the others to attempt to make their cars work with that kind of diffuser and it's not a given that they'll be able to make it work. It's not a fact that they will automatically be quicker - it's not that straightforward. It will take a whole lot of time and even then you can't be sure it'll work."
I think he's absoultly right and this is excatly what Norbert Haug said yesterday, other teams may find some tenths in it but you can't expect others to do something within 9weeks when we have done it during 9months.
I think he's absoultly right and this is excatly what Norbert Haug said yesterday, other teams may find some tenths in it but you can't expect others to do something within 9weeks when we have done it during 9months.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 14:01
Toyota had another upgrade to there,s at the last race.
There pit crew was sheilding it from prying eyes.
There pit crew was sheilding it from prying eyes.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: F1R (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 14:21
Spain will be a defining moment in shaping the rest of the season without doubt. My major concern is whether Kaz is capable of upping his game enough to challenge for regular points.
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Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Mehryar (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 14:29
Toyota had another upgrade to there,s at the last race.
There pit crew was sheilding it from prying eyes.
Till the time you don't get an imformation in any sites or from engineers themselves, you can't rely on that.
Those cars are naked on race and after the race too, it ain't a hard job for anyone to observe what's the design there.
There pit crew was sheilding it from prying eyes.
Till the time you don't get an imformation in any sites or from engineers themselves, you can't rely on that.
Those cars are naked on race and after the race too, it ain't a hard job for anyone to observe what's the design there.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 14:59
It is definitely not a 4 way title fight. The title will go to Button, the WCC will be Brawn's.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:04:16:15:00:01 by Duffer.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Bond (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 15:07
Quote:F1R
Spain will be a defining moment in shaping the rest of the season without doubt. My major concern is whether Kaz is capable of upping his game enough to challenge for regular points.
F1Royal
We've had bad luck in addition to mistakes the first 2 races.
Kaz will come up big I am sure - tho he has shown nothing in his 1+ yr here.
Anyhow - kudos F1R for your defense of the team on the rbr board.
they pulled my post after redwetter called Nico a @#$%& & I said his Momma too.
Interesting to see how those guys operate over there in tough times. They are quick to abandon ship.
redwetter even said there season is over.
Notice how none of them ever came over to backup the DDD debacle after the ruling. CLOWNS.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 15:14
Quote:gpl
Toyota had another upgrade to there,s at the last race.
There pit crew was sheilding it from prying eyes.
Yeah, Trulli said they have upgrades on the front wing and on the rear end
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: F1R (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 15:15
Cheers Bond – typical mods they don't like a bit of banter. Shame about the lack of RBR comment on here – their silence is deafening... To be honest I don't know why, the RBR is a real contender plus Seb is a fantastic driver.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:04:16:15:15:46 by F1R.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 15:20
The championship is wide open this year, Brawn have an edge at present ,but all to go for, as i see it.
DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT.
The DDD teams have a lead, the RED BULL IS right there, i think we can develop as quick as anyone this year,
The reason i say this is because the amount of area,s you can make big gains on this years cars has been cut down to just a few key area,s I think 500 people is more than enough to focus on these key area,s with the new rules and regulations.
So i say it is wide open this year.
Come on boys.
DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT.
The DDD teams have a lead, the RED BULL IS right there, i think we can develop as quick as anyone this year,
The reason i say this is because the amount of area,s you can make big gains on this years cars has been cut down to just a few key area,s I think 500 people is more than enough to focus on these key area,s with the new rules and regulations.
So i say it is wide open this year.
Come on boys.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 15:35
Is the splitter even more forward than before?????
EDIT: Forget it, it's the same one as always. No way we can challenge Toyota this weekend, they have aero upgrades, maybe they can even challenge Brawn, us none, I think we will be 5th at best
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EDIT: Forget it, it's the same one as always. No way we can challenge Toyota this weekend, they have aero upgrades, maybe they can even challenge Brawn, us none, I think we will be 5th at best
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Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 16:01
Has the splitter always veed into the 2 uprights?????
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 16:03
I think so, I'm not 100% sure, would need to see a super hi-res picture of it
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:04:16:16:03:46 by Francesc.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: F1R (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 16:06
It looks like it, now mated to the front wing pylons – very nice.
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Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Bond (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 16:10
Quote:F1R
Cheers Bond – typical mods they don't like a bit of banter. Shame about the lack of RBR comment on here – their silence is deafening... To be honest I don't know why, the RBR is a real contender plus Seb is a fantastic driver.
F1Royal
Alas, you know those twits over there don't care aboutthe team. That's what sad, cause they have a fantastic platform to work with & a fantastic #1 driver in Seb.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Bond (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 16:22
Quote:gpl
Has the splitter always veed into the 2 uprights?????
Seems like from very beginning in Aus.
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Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 16:30
Quote:raiden
Look at our front wing, its so simple and its so fast.
Pretty much like the Ferrari, I think at the front there's more than enough downforce, would be nice to have a one likely to the Brawn, which causes less drag
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 18:07
Wether we can see them or not, i will say that there must be some updates on our car, no matter how small, Nico has stated that they are finding tenths, every few weeks.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: GroveF1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 18:36
Quote:Duffer
It is definitely not a 4 way title fight. The title will go to Button, the WCC will be Brawn's.
Funny, when I was reading Nico's comments that's what I was exactly thinking
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Damon'sFW18 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 19:27
Is it me or does the front of the nose look a little bit lower kind of like the Brawn's?
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: nmendes (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 19:29
That's not the same front wing, at least it is not exactly the same, as there's now a hole bellow the "swiss" and that's the first time I sow that hole.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Greenmachine (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 20:11
I never notices the slots at the top of the winglets before either. Are they new, or are they old?
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: gabal (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 20:24
Quote:I haven't seen it yet too - and those holes under the bridgestone logo are new too I think...nmendes
That's not the same front wing, at least it is not exactly the same, as there's now a hole bellow the "swiss" and that's the first time I sow that hole.
You are too late, we are EVERYWHERE!
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 20:28
Quote:nmendes
That's not the same front wing, at least it is not exactly the same, as there's now a hole bellow the "swiss" and that's the first time I sow that hole.
They introduced that hole at Malaysia
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: K1 (IP Logged)
Date: 16/04/2009 23:50
as previously stated, the next two races will see where some of the previous non DDD cars will be testing their new ideas. it will be a forerunner to the full monte in europe starting with barca.
now that there is certainty of interpretation i would not be surprised to see further elaborate interations of the diffuser which will go even further than those currently employed.
williams will have to keep the development at full throttle if they are to maintain any edge however i am pretty certain that brawn are the team and that they still have something up their sleeve. to date they are the team to watch.
now that there is certainty of interpretation i would not be surprised to see further elaborate interations of the diffuser which will go even further than those currently employed.
williams will have to keep the development at full throttle if they are to maintain any edge however i am pretty certain that brawn are the team and that they still have something up their sleeve. to date they are the team to watch.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: myhead (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2009 01:10
be carefull, diffuser spy is everywhere!!!!!!!!! ![[:wor kid:]](/phorum-5.1.15/mods/smileys/images/13.gif "[:wor kid:]")
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: drunkmunky (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2009 06:28
after going through all of those f1-live photos... we're not as fast for aero development as TOYOTA... no where near they're pace. They almost have a brand new car.
We do however have smaller scale changes.
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We do however have smaller scale changes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009:04:17:06:28:31 by drunkmunky.
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2009 07:51
It seems we have a vertical fin under the crash structure
Re: Time to copy diffuser design
Posted by: Bond (IP Logged)
Date: 17/04/2009 15:29
Quote:Francesc
It seems we have a vertical fin under the crash structure
In gold no -less.
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