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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 04 June, 2020 10:55

The problem is Mike, while I do agree that there are challenges to be met, the current situation is irreversible. Mercedes, VAG and PSA have announced that for every model they build, a electric version will co exist next to the petrol one from as soon as 2023 onwards. I believe it was Volco who even claimed to have designed their last internal combustion engine and is scheduled to become fully electric from 2026 onwards.

You can't ignore the fact that this is happening. You also can't ignore the fact that this is heavily lobbied for by everyone. As to why, I can't figure it out. For me, the clear choice has always been hydrogen. But as from now, even more challenges have to be met to make hydrogen popular. Electric propulsion by static batteries is beyond me. But it is happening. No denying in that.




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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 04 June, 2020 20:13

120mpg on my commute today. 80% electric! Plugged in now at home and will charge smartly using the greenest energy before 6am. A charge costs about £1. I smile every time I drive!

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 03:12

We had this discussion 2 or 3 years ago. Hydrogen will not take for domestic cars. Maybe for big trucks / machines. ICE is dead. It's over. EV is going to be the way forward.

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: GroveF1 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 08:59

Claire Williams video and article interview

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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: MansellsMoustache (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 09:43

I have three pre-war vehicles and two early '50s and I will not be converting them to electric power like some. They won't be banned, just the sale of new ICE powered cars, that is planned and inevitable. Fuel supply going forward is the tricky but but I already have specialist fuel delivered to me as modern pump petrol with ethanol is damaging and dangerous for my cars. It may of course become damned expensive to run a petrol powered car (the fuel I buy is not cheap) but will remain possible for many years to come, or at least it better had - woe betide any politician or ideologue who attempts to ban ICE on the roads outright.

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 11:59

Well well well.. Toto buying shares in Williams.

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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: pixel (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 12:34

That is interesting news, and a vote of confidence?

I wonder what Toto knows

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: Andrew Hooper (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 13:02

Yes Peter Windsor seems to have this knowledge that Toto now has bought back into Williams.
Be nice to get some confirmation of this.

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 14:55

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That is interesting news, and a vote of confidence?
I wonder what Toto knows

Especially the last bit. Considering the rumors now have reached the media that Ecclestone is trying to help the team to find a good buyer.




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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: IanSmithISA (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 16:37

Good afternoon,

[www.investegate.co.uk]

Over the last few years Brad Hollinger has been selling his shares and these could easily be his.

Bye

Ian



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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 18:45

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IanSmithISA
Good afternoon,
[www.investegate.co.uk]

Over the last few years Brad Hollinger has been selling his shares and these could easily be his.

Bye

Ian

Well Done Bye Ian!

So if it is Hollingers shares, I recon Toto is buying up some smaller amounts before piling in with a full on purchase. (Over 50%) BUT although he is wealthy he will need a backer to find the full capital to invest in the company. Toto is a very well connected man so could be good and certainly is positive!

Williams is such a desirable asset you could build around! ( deep pockets required!!)

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: CLOVERLEAF 888 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 19:19

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Ozzy Osbone
We had this discussion 2 or 3 years ago. Hydrogen will not take for domestic cars. Maybe for big trucks / machines. ICE is dead. It's over. EV is going to be the way forward.

You watch though. Cheap today, expensive tomorrow. As soon as electric cars take off, the price of charging will go up, probably followed by a government tax.

You have been warned.

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: j-s (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 20:33

Good news indeed.

What's the team worth, anyways? The NBA's Memphis Grizzlies are worth $1.3Bn, and they're the cheapest one out there. There are another 29 teams. They have strict cost caps and a fair distribution of income across the league.

Here's to Toto becoming the Warren Buffet of F1.

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 21:48

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Stu69
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IanSmithISA
Good afternoon,
[www.investegate.co.uk]

Over the last few years Brad Hollinger has been selling his shares and these could easily be his.

Bye

Ian

Well Done Bye Ian!

So if it is Hollingers shares, I recon Toto is buying up some smaller amounts before piling in with a full on purchase. (Over 50%) BUT although he is wealthy he will need a backer to find the full capital to invest in the company. Toto is a very well connected man so could be good and certainly is positive!

Williams is such a desirable asset you could build around! ( deep pockets required!!)

Don't get your hopes up. Williams name mean jack for any investor. Money is the motivator. And considering Williams would be in the need for extra investment in assets and computing aside from the purchase of the team itself, it is not a very clear case of a desirable team to invest in. I am still wondering why Toto made this move.




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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 05 June, 2020 22:39

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AlanJones
Quote:
Stu69
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IanSmithISA
Good afternoon,
[www.investegate.co.uk]

Over the last few years Brad Hollinger has been selling his shares and these could easily be his.

Bye

Ian

Well Done Bye Ian!


So if it is Hollingers shares, I recon Toto is buying up some smaller amounts before piling in with a full on purchase. (Over 50%) BUT although he is wealthy he will need a backer to find the full capital to invest in the company. Toto is a very well connected man so could be good and certainly is positive!

Williams is such a desirable asset you could build around! ( deep pockets required!!)

Don't get your hopes up. Williams name mean jack for any investor. Money is the motivator. And considering Williams would be in the need for extra investment in assets and computing aside from the purchase of the team itself, it is not a very clear case of a desirable team to invest in. I am still wondering why Toto made this move.

I donít agree! Billionaire types will be bending over backwards to buy a piece of history. Investment needed for sure but look what you get for your reasonably slim dollar! The ambitious types will be thinking what they can do if they turn this round. 10 year plan.

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 06 June, 2020 00:45

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Stu69
Quote:
AlanJones
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Stu69
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IanSmithISA
Good afternoon,
[www.investegate.co.uk]

Over the last few years Brad Hollinger has been selling his shares and these could easily be his.

Bye

Ian

Well Done Bye Ian!


So if it is Hollingers shares, I recon Toto is buying up some smaller amounts before piling in with a full on purchase. (Over 50%) BUT although he is wealthy he will need a backer to find the full capital to invest in the company. Toto is a very well connected man so could be good and certainly is positive!

Williams is such a desirable asset you could build around! ( deep pockets required!!)

Don't get your hopes up. Williams name mean jack for any investor. Money is the motivator. And considering Williams would be in the need for extra investment in assets and computing aside from the purchase of the team itself, it is not a very clear case of a desirable team to invest in. I am still wondering why Toto made this move.

I donít agree! Billionaire types will be bending over backwards to buy a piece of history. Investment needed for sure but look what you get for your reasonably slim dollar! The ambitious types will be thinking what they can do if they turn this round. 10 year plan.

Where is the business case of making money in your castle in the sky?




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Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: CLOVERLEAF 888 (IP Logged)
Date: 06 June, 2020 00:47

I just wonder after leading Mercedes to so many world championships, does Toto fancy an executive chairman position at Williams similar to what Niki Lauda had at Mercedes. Is this the beginning of the end for Claire and she will move to a new position.

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: IanSmithISA (IP Logged)
Date: 06 June, 2020 06:47

Morning,

As of Dec 2019 BH had 1.3million shares, and the document that I linked to was the current holdings not a purchase, but a quick scan didn't find any previous disclosures.

TW holding is quite significant to me in that Merc wanted him to sell all of his Williams shares a while back and I thought that he was a part owner of the Merc team.

So does Merc want to leave F1, buy him out, or has he done all he wants to at Merc?

If the Lawrence Stroll relationship is as strong as reported then to me this reinforces a strong tie up between Aston Martin, Racing Point and Williams.

WAE was involved in some of the Aston electric prototypes and WGPH is still heavily involved in WAE.

Aston is still a troubled business, 500 lay offs.

Maybe there are some strong people at Racing Point that could move into Williams and take advantage of the extensive although possibly ageing facilities at Williams.

So would this mean LS/TW running Williams as an A team and Racing Point as a B team?

Does the cost of running a second team mean that Williams Aston Martin would pick up the majority of the development costs and Racing Point continues with lower profile sponsors and running many Williams parts?

Bye

Ian

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: Gwanni (IP Logged)
Date: 06 June, 2020 07:22

In an article from Autosport, williams will be bought by serious people, according to Brawn

Re: Team announces formal sale process
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 06 June, 2020 08:50

Quote:
AlanJones
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Stu69
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AlanJones
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Stu69
Quote:
IanSmithISA
Good afternoon,
[www.investegate.co.uk]

Over the last few years Brad Hollinger has been selling his shares and these could easily be his.

Bye

Ian

Well Done Bye Ian!



So if it is Hollingers shares, I recon Toto is buying up some smaller amounts before piling in with a full on purchase. (Over 50%) BUT although he is wealthy he will need a backer to find the full capital to invest in the company. Toto is a very well connected man so could be good and certainly is positive!

Williams is such a desirable asset you could build around! ( deep pockets required!!)

Don't get your hopes up. Williams name mean jack for any investor. Money is the motivator. And considering Williams would be in the need for extra investment in assets and computing aside from the purchase of the team itself, it is not a very clear case of a desirable team to invest in. I am still wondering why Toto made this move.

I donít agree! Billionaire types will be bending over backwards to buy a piece of history. Investment needed for sure but look what you get for your reasonably slim dollar! The ambitious types will be thinking what they can do if they turn this round. 10 year plan.

Where is the business case of making money in your castle in the sky?

If you take a long term view and want to make Williams into more than a racing team there is a massive opportunity to pick up an asset and a back catalogue for relatively peanuts. The business case would be simple and better now with budget caps than before. The right billionaire type with a bit of imagination like Stroll perhaps or similar type person will be lining up to buy it. Personally disposing of advanced engineering was a mistake it would have been better sold together with the racing team creating a true cutting edge technology group BUT I still think the racing team on its own is a great buy. (For the right suitor!)

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