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The all New FW42
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 09:51

Morning guys.

Thought i would kick this off considering my assessment prediction in pre season testing of the FW41.

it seems like a lot of you are expecting Williams/Paddy to design a conservative car
for next season, because of all the problems encountered this year.
That is a reasonable assumption,but how much is to be gained by that route??.

Ok so we design a kind chassis that performs as expected and matches figures but were is
that going to put us on track 10 to 12 maybe how many points and tv coverage/sponsors is
that going to attract, not a fat lot.

If Williams are confident they have identified all the areas they went wrong in 2018,
then there is no need to go conservative.

They need to be bold and push the limits with the new chassis,maybe not Adrian Newey
limits but really pushing on .

We have massive competition on the grid these years with lower teams using the big boys
parts, this means we have to push hard to fight to be best of the rest 6th 8th.
and give our drivers something to fight with not just make up the numbers.

So i predict Williams will design a Bold car for 2019.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Mehryar (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 10:07

I think what we're going to see will be an evolution of fw41 with major flaws being deleted.
The car was not developed that much, if there should be alot of potential in it to be unlocked.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Francesc (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 10:46

Let's see if they keep the massive undercut sidepods. I doubt they will be able to get a normal level of cooling with them and I read somewhere that it was on of the reasons why the Fw41 had problems.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Williams-123 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 11:05

Why did Williams design a car with massive undercut sidepods...Look at Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull, those 3 teams were super quick and they did not have massive undercut sidepods.

Williams badly went in the wrong direction with those whack sidepods.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 11:07

That undercut never gave us anymore down force still the worst on the grid really
i know they had to open up the rear end but even so on the lower temp races it was poor.

Lots of problem areas on the FW41.
Lots of correlation problems back at Grove.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 13/12/2018 11:28 by GPL.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Mikef1 (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 15:59

Conservative doesn't mean going back to the old design. You can still be conservative but push a new direction. I think the previous cars problem was their lack of progression, where the fw41 was a big step in the wrong direction which proved to be irreversible.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: speed (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 16:33

We has reasonably good cars about blunders of 2011 & 2013. Infact, the worse it was, the better it came out. And this was clearly the worst of them. So here's to hoping. And whatever it is, I hope GPL comes out optimistic after the tests. His realism/pessimism has turned out to be correct for the past more than a few seasons.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 17:04

I will do my best to analyse all the pre season testing /data i can find.

To start with my first impression of the 41 did not inspire me it looked

Anyway lets see what they can do this time.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 20:37

FW42 is suck

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Mr Brooksy (IP Logged)
Date: 13 December, 2018 21:53

It will be interesting to see if Williams employ a more low drag approach again seeing as the new regulations are trying to promote more drag for overtaking purposes. Not to mention watching McLaren bomb down to our level this year with a similar philosophy downforce at all costs approach.

The encouraging thing about Williams over the recent years seems to be whenever regulations change we produce a decent (not spectacular) car. So there's enough optimism to suggest we won't be at the back again... Please let us not be at the back again!

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2018 07:03

Time to see if Paddy and his new team are any good

I cannot remember the last time we had good clean down force it has been so long.

Williams might be one of the first to reveal there new 2019 challenger this time.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: IanSmithISA (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2018 07:33

Good morning,

I am expecting very little. :-(

There is a post towards the bottom of


which has a statement from Paddy.

It appears to be suggesting that the Williams' way is not Paddy's way and things are being changed to Paddy's way.

In the long term this may be the correct thing to do, but changes like this usually see a lot of people go and the new team needing time to settle in. It may be that the new structure is in already in place along with the people so the 2020 car will be their first but the 2019 car is going to be heavily influenced by the old people and the old structure.

Of course it could be that Paddy is not the right man for the job and he is trying to impose a Mercedes way of doing things when it is not the Mercedes structure that is an absolute right but just a structure that works for Merc with their budget and the way that the people there like to work.

If there is a conflict between Paddy's structural ambitions and the old timers then there will not be much success until most of the workforce has changed.

We can't rule money out the equation as is still definitely an issue, I know that Claire has said that the 2019 budget will be the same as the 2018 one, but it was less clear if this was a certainty or an ambition.

Paddy mentions that Williams own their own land and factory but neglects to mention that they are already tied up as security for loans, and apparently the rules had been changed for 2019 and you may now use as much computing power as you like for CFD.

Given that this has been restricted for a while now it is likely that Williams' equipment is adequate for the old rules but limiting in a free for all.

Are there funds for a new supercomputer, especially as 2019 is a big debt repayment year, if I remember rightly its roughly all of Kubica's sponsorship.



Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 14 December, 2018 08:02

Good post.

Well things have not been working out for a long time with the old structure,
so things must change back at grove no matter what the cost else there is no future
only Groundhog day.

So let Paddy do what he has to do and be brave, this is why you Claire have paid him big bucks

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: GPL (IP Logged)
Date: 22 December, 2018 10:54

I guess our new car will be revealed at first pre season test this time round.
No big new sponsors to brag about this time.

I am looking forward to seeing our new car back in blue again.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Mehryar (IP Logged)
Date: 22 December, 2018 11:00

I think so.
Sponsors, whatever size& payment they have, won't have a say on the livery of the car unless they are a title sponsor.
Force India last season an exception.
So yes, probably it will back in blue&white.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 22 December, 2018 13:26

I think sponsors do have a say, just a team must stick with one concept, so one new medium-sized sponsor alone won't influence a livery that has been working well for years, but if there are several sponsors that prefer one the same thing over another, then a team will surely consider their preferences.

I think it's not a coincidence that our 2006-2013 dark blue-white scheme was in line with the logos of most of our big sponsors from the period: AT&T, Philips, Randstad, RBS etc.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 22/12/2018 19:28 by Anderis.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: williams4284 (IP Logged)
Date: 22 December, 2018 13:48

If Orlen will be prominent on our car then red will surely feature.

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: Mikef1 (IP Logged)
Date: 23 December, 2018 17:48

Depends on the deal. A title sponsor may be able to dictate a whole livery if it chooses, but smaller sponsors could influence the colours on certain parts of the car if it's agreed in the contract

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: andy si (IP Logged)
Date: 24 December, 2018 07:09

If Orlen will be prominent on our car then red will surely feature.

All we need now is a little yellow to start things of livery wise... if we are going the standard blue&white with Orlen red!

Re: The all New FW42
Posted by: IanSmithISA (IP Logged)
Date: 24 December, 2018 07:57

Good morning,

Sky have announced that they are ending the sponsorship of their cycling team at the end of the 2019 season.

So what you may think it is cycling so the budget was tiny, apparently it was in the region of 25 million per year plus a bit more in bonuses.

The way that money was spent was quite unusual in cycling, the rules say that World Tour teams, the top teams, must attend all World Tour events. So Sky had to go to them but the reality is that the team only really seemed to care about the Tour de France originally and after success in that event the Tours of Italy and Spain as well.

They achieved massive success in these events by being single minded, they would hire national champions and say "your job is to support our team leader and your ambitions will have to wait". As Sky were paying so much many top quality riders said fine.

Given that Sky aren't particularly well liked in the UK, but hold the live TV rights and it costs 22 (basic) + 18(F1 channel) per month, please Claire get on the phone.

For 25 million I suspect that most teams would offer car colour and front and back of the rear wing and either the side pods or the engine cover, I suspect that many here would forgive the ugly colour scheme that would probably follow.

On a more geenral note most cycling teams budgets are guessed to be in the 12-20 million range so there is more sponsorship money out there than many may believe. Probably the second most successful team is Quick Step, who are suppliers of floors, Force India came up with BWT a water supplier that I and I suspect that many here had never heard of and of course there is Rich Energy.

So if the 2019 car is short of sponsorship it doesn't seem that it is entirely due to a depressed market.

I do remember the reports of Ron Dennis having a rant when Williams became AT&T Williams for a relatively small amount, so there is probably a sweet spot between the old tobacco days and undervaluing space in what appears to be a dying sport. If Williams can get rid of debt by selling space for a year at less than they would like it would be another year nearer a revival.



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