Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?


By Ian Lockwood
December 5 2008

In the wake of Honda''s announcement to withdraw from F1, Max Mosely has written to all F1 teams advising them of the proposed option to use a standard Cosworth supplied engine and XR transmission from 2010 onwards. The cost of the package is £1.68m and £5.49m per season over three years based on 4 teams taking up the offer. teams have until Thursday 11th December to decide.

Letter from Max Mosley, FIA President, to all F1 team principals

Gentlemen

Further to my letter of 18 November (copy attached for convenience), we have completed the tendering process and are now in exclusive negotiations with Cosworth together with Xtrac and Ricardo Transmissions (XR) to supply a complete Formula One power train starting in 2010. The engine will be a current Formula One engine while the transmission will be state-of-the-art Formula One and a joint effort by two companies which already supply transmissions to most of the grid.

The cost to each team taking up this option will be an up-front payment of £1.68M (€1.97M) and then £5.49M (€6.42M) per season for each of the three years of the supply contract (2010, 2011, 2012). This price is based on four teams signing up and includes full technical support at all races and official tests, plus 30,000 km of testing. The annual cost will reduce if more teams take up the option, for example to £4.99M (€5.84M) per team with eight teams. It will further reduce if less than 30,000 km of testing is required. Neither engine nor transmission will be badged.

As suggested in my letter of 18 November, teams participating in the 2010 Championship would
then have three options:

Teams opting for one of the latter two options would nevertheless use the XR transmission. In combination with the programme of cost reductions for the chassis, race weekend and team home base outlined in my letter of 18 November, these arrangements have a number of advantages. These include:

These arrangements are on the basis that at least four teams enter into contracts to use the power train described above, and do so no later than close of business (5pm CET) on Thursday 11 December 2008. In the event of fewer than four teams signing up, the FIA may still proceed but the price on offer will vary. The supply contracts will be with Cosworth but in the first instance teams are requested to make their intentions known to my office.

Yours sincerely
Max Mosley

 

Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: Racing Bulls (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2008 09:42

Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?

Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2008 09:48

Time line pressure is applied to have team do something they might regret. This doesn't seem to be the solution imo...

Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: SydneyF1Fan (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2008 09:49

Short time frame for a pretty fundamental decision!

The sport is falling apart...

Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: growler (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2008 10:27

Teams have been aware of the tendering process for some time though, and would have been aware of this potential decision to make for some time prior to this official letter.

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Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: toptoy (IP Logged)
Date: 05/12/2008 23:19

Well in light of:

"facilitating the replacement of a manufacturer team if (as seems likely) we suffer additional
losses"

Who else is on the verge of pulling the pin?

&

Would this solution help them to stay?

Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: Gunk (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2008 16:57

Quote:
Duffer
Time line pressure is applied to have team do something they might regret. This doesn't seem to be the solution imo...

I think it's a tough call at the moment - although it's probably the way to go for the forseeable future. But if you happen to own two teams, it's easier to be at least half right.

Then again, the future of STR is clouded, so it really only leaves one team that might take it up at this time. The fate of the Honda replacement, if any, won't be known by next Thursday that's for sure.

No idea what response Max expects.

Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: growler (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2008 19:38

Don't know what Williams or Fifi - or us / STR for that matter are paying for our engine contracts - probably a damn site more than £5.5m per season.

If that quartet take up the offer it forces the others to build and engine to exactly the same spec or be limited to the performance outputs of it.

Given everyone will use a standard transmission, it probably makes sense - at least for the "independants" to use the engine that has been specifically designed to work with the standard transmission.

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Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: jez33 (IP Logged)
Date: 06/12/2008 20:25

Think RBR are paying in the vicinty of £20m a year for the supply of Renault power.

Re: Cosworth Back in F1 as FIA Engine Supplier?
Posted by: powerslide (IP Logged)
Date: 08/12/2008 00:59

Engine Suppliers supplying more then one team

Ferrari 2-3 (Ferrari, STR & Rebadge Honda?)
Merc 2 (Mclaren & FiF1)
Renault 2 (Renault,RBR)
Toyota 2 (Toyota, Williams)
BMW 1( BMW).

So if no other teams collapse (unlikely)

Red Bull, Williams, F1f1 & STR would be the four teams using cosworth power, and possibly Old Honda.

More likely for the 2010 season, Toyota Pulls out, Williams can not get sponsorship and collapses and STR closes doors.

So we have Ferrari, Mclaren, BMW, Renault, Red Bull & Fif1. Only Six teams and if they force some teams to run three cars it will just force them out too. Renault is no certainty either. I think Williams will go but almost even money between Toyota and Renault. I think if they start the season and do not perform where they hoped i would not be suprised to see a mid season withdrawl

Why do i see Williams closing and not Red Bull, well Williams normally depends on some money coming from some financial/Insurance sector.....and with Red Bull if we all need to work long hours to pay the bills, a Red Bull will come in handy


Also the economic climate and the new regs are both getting Car Manafacturers to look closely at the financial benefits to running a F1 team.

Yes everyone needs to see how money can be better spent, but reducing the effectiveness of Car Manafacturer brand recognition it is more likely to push them out completely.

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