Second place in championship is achievable
By Andrew Hooper
August 7 2014
With the Williams Martini enjoying their mid season break looking back at the opening races of the season gives one a feeling of optimism that the team can continue their string of good results including returns to the podium. Such is the feeling that Rob Smedley feels that second place in championship is achievable.
Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: Williams F1 (IP Logged)
Date: 07/08/2014 13:31
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Re: Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: Ozzy Osbone (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2014 00:26
Yes it's possible but not with Massa in the second car I fear. I applaud him for the correct pronunciation of 'maths' but we need someone better in the second car.
Re: Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: j-s (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2014 07:46
Let's see. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt ATM. If he fails to capitalize on the next two races then obviously 2nd will be impossible. He might find his happy place during the break.
He's not going to mop the floor with anybody and give Williams 2nd on WCC by dominating. But he might contribute, and that's what everybody expectos from him.
It's not as if he's been way off in races... He's run in front or right behind Bottas for plenty of laps; the gap is not Alonso-esque. Valteri is having a good year, yes, but when Felipe stays out of trouble and avoids the brain farts he's done well enough to score decent points. He just needs to get to the finish line, that's all... and hopefully get a lucky break at some point, to even out the bad luck he's had this year.
Time will tell. Odds are 60/40 against.
He's not going to mop the floor with anybody and give Williams 2nd on WCC by dominating. But he might contribute, and that's what everybody expectos from him.
It's not as if he's been way off in races... He's run in front or right behind Bottas for plenty of laps; the gap is not Alonso-esque. Valteri is having a good year, yes, but when Felipe stays out of trouble and avoids the brain farts he's done well enough to score decent points. He just needs to get to the finish line, that's all... and hopefully get a lucky break at some point, to even out the bad luck he's had this year.
Time will tell. Odds are 60/40 against.
Re: Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2014 09:47
to use an Anderis-style argument, Massa is the only Williams driver with a pole to his name- 1-0. So you could say he definitely has it in him. He has been on occasion, plain faster. It's not his speed that concerns me, it's his race craft and confidence / adaptability. In a clean dry race where no-one comes close, I would give Massa a sporting chance vs Bottas. But races are never perfect sim-runs.
Re: Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: A.Fant (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2014 11:15
Quote:crusty_bread
to use an Anderis-style argument, Massa is the only Williams driver with a pole to his name- 1-0. So you could say he definitely has it in him. He has been on occasion, plain faster. It's not his speed that concerns me, it's his race craft and confidence / adaptability. In a clean dry race where no-one comes close, I would give Massa a sporting chance vs Bottas. But races are never perfect sim-runs.
Eeeeeeh... Massa only got that pole because Bottas made a huge error on his 2nd attempt. the only dry qualifying session where Massa has looked plain faster was in Monaco and that was only Q1. It's a legitimate pole, but I wouldn't use it as an argument for an underlying speed advantage.
Bottas has been further ahead of Massa in dry qualifying so far with regard to speed than Alonso was.
Re: Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 08/08/2014 12:19
yes, stats don't tell the story sometimes. perhaps the better example of pace was Bahrain China in the race? or those times when he looked faster all weekend until Q2/Q3, like bahrain or spain?
it's odd though, much like Hamilton in qualifying, as the bad luck adds up, and the points margin increases, so does the pressure, and so their game suffers. Around China time, I would have put them as equal bets for the best result.
it's odd though, much like Hamilton in qualifying, as the bad luck adds up, and the points margin increases, so does the pressure, and so their game suffers. Around China time, I would have put them as equal bets for the best result.
Re: Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: Hall_Green_Wolf (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2014 21:22
Massa's f1 career was on life support after brazil 2008, nando turned the machine off in germany.
Flatline.
Flatline.
Re: Second place in championship is achievable
Posted by: crusty_bread (IP Logged)
Date: 09/08/2014 22:35
Bit harsh! being pipped to the title performing as well as anyone, before trouncing Kimi for most of 2009, only to get a bolt through
the face and waking up to find that Alonso has been shoehorned into the seat next to him and forced to lose all leverage and bargaining power due to the "good faith" Ferrari showed in HIM after having the temerity of getting injured and being picked over Kimi. Stern! After 2008 and 2009, but for the injury it could have been the other way around.- Massa deigning to stay at Ferrari on his terms.
He's still got a top F1 drive 4 years on from Germany- if that's a 4 year flatline, got knows what the rest of us are doing. Di Resta must be cremated together with his life support machine.
I think a better metaphor is perhaps:
Getting pressed into a relationship with a forceful and manipulative other, getting no support from friends, the early balance rapidly getting out of hand, getting publicly humiliated, getting dominated and trampled, forced to walk in their shadow and forced to make excuses for their bad treatment, everyone turning a blind eye or sniggering in embarrassment at his misfortune before getting dumped, and still getting picked up by someone cool, only to sabotage the new relationship due to the neurosis caused by the previous one. For such individuals I would hope there is some salvation. The Massa of 2008 / 2009 would have been a fine asset for anyone, and the Massa of today has the speed- even if he does have bags of emotional baggage.
the face and waking up to find that Alonso has been shoehorned into the seat next to him and forced to lose all leverage and bargaining power due to the "good faith" Ferrari showed in HIM after having the temerity of getting injured and being picked over Kimi. Stern! After 2008 and 2009, but for the injury it could have been the other way around.- Massa deigning to stay at Ferrari on his terms.
He's still got a top F1 drive 4 years on from Germany- if that's a 4 year flatline, got knows what the rest of us are doing. Di Resta must be cremated together with his life support machine.
I think a better metaphor is perhaps:
Getting pressed into a relationship with a forceful and manipulative other, getting no support from friends, the early balance rapidly getting out of hand, getting publicly humiliated, getting dominated and trampled, forced to walk in their shadow and forced to make excuses for their bad treatment, everyone turning a blind eye or sniggering in embarrassment at his misfortune before getting dumped, and still getting picked up by someone cool, only to sabotage the new relationship due to the neurosis caused by the previous one. For such individuals I would hope there is some salvation. The Massa of 2008 / 2009 would have been a fine asset for anyone, and the Massa of today has the speed- even if he does have bags of emotional baggage.
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