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Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
Date: 24 October, 2017 14:18

Your thoughts, not my choice



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Anderis (IP Logged)
Date: 24 October, 2017 15:01

I'm not convinced but TBH, if Kubica isn't any good after his injury then our prospects on driver market are really miserable as for upper half of the grid team. Wehrlein may well be the fastest of them ATM. But unless Stroll is leaving, I would be more comfortable with a more experienced driver next to him. There are rumours around about Wehrlein not being the best man out there when it comes to co-operating with engineers etc.

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Gunk (IP Logged)
Date: 24 October, 2017 15:20

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But unless Stroll is leaving, I would be more comfortable with a more experienced driver next to him.

Fair comment. I'm not going to diss Stroll, but if it were my team I'd park him on the reserve bench for a year. It's not his fault that he was fast-tracked into the deep end before he could swim. The same happened to Massa and Grosjean and it only helped their careers.

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
Date: 24 October, 2017 21:37

According to Toto Wolff of Mercedes Formula 1, Robert Kubica should be back to F1, even if it takes place at the expense of one of the drivers supported by the German manufacturer.


Defeat with Kubica can push Wehrlein to DTM
In recent weeks, Mercedes boss Toto Wolff was suspicious of duplicity when he was supporting other drivers in the Williams seat in media interviews. The German press was constantly demanding a chance for a young driver supported by Mercedes - Pascal Wehrlein for years. Polish microphones cheered Robert Kubica.
During the weekend in the US, he told Emmanuel that he is emotionally in a difficult position because he really wants to see Kubica succeed , who is his good friend.

"I'm torn because I think Robert really deserves to come back to the car. He lost the chance of a great career and everyone in Formula One would like to see him back in action - he said.

Asked whether business and not sentimental take up the situation in which he found himself as head of the Mercedes team, Wolff replied: - Yes, but there is karma and I think that Robert deserves a place. Paul di Resta also made a good weekend in Budapest, Pascal (Wehrlein) has speed and should find a job in F1, and Felipe (Massa) has long been with the team.
So I will be happy no matter which one you drive, "he concluded.

Pascal Wehrlein supported by Mercedes is now Sauber's driver. The team next year is to promote young Ferrari adepts, so the 23-year-old has little chance of continuing his career there.



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 06:07

Calling Wehrlein not that experienced is somewhat strange. Should h join us, then he has 2 seasons of Formula One under his belt and was champion in the DTM. The guy is not a cookie. He can properly drive and is experienced in my book.




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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 06:26

Wehrlien has some experience now but still he has showned bits of speed and racecraft in his rookie year and then it kind of went downhill this year he did nothing special agaisn't Ericsson, he seems like a driver that will perform if he has a good car otherwise he doesn't add much to is team.
Since Baku this year his performances are poor to say the least and last year he tested for Merc and FI and they (Force India) went for Ocon.
He did won DTM but once again with the best car on the grid.
For me he seems more of an actor then a race driver but well whit is backing he will probably get the seat.



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 07:15

"he has some experience now".. when will he, in your book, have enough experience?
Force India opted for Ocon because Ocon was hailed as a prodigee. And having the best car on the grid in DTM, means that at least 3 others have exactly the same best car on the grid. It is not like in Formula One where Schumacher has had consistently better cars than his teammates Verstappen, Lehto, Herbert, Irvine, Barrichello and Massa.




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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 07:39

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"he has some experience now".. when will he, in your book, have enough experience?
Force India opted for Ocon because Ocon was hailed as a prodigee. And having the best car on the grid in DTM, means that at least 3 others have exactly the same best car on the grid. It is not like in Formula One where Schumacher has had consistently better cars than his teammates Verstappen, Lehto, Herbert, Irvine, Barrichello and Massa.

In my book he should have showned more by now Alan and he had the factory Mercedes AMG in DTM.
I'm not saying his a bad driver but is definatly not a mindblowing one.
If you say is f1 material sure he his bit politics play a big role in F1 seats, this year there will be practicly no changes in drivers for 2018 so team let their protegees another year in junior teams and that spopped rookies for making it to the grid.
And from Wehrlein entrance in F1 I'ved seen Ocon, Sainz, Vandoorne perform better then him.
Another thing why did Williams with Bottas leaving and Force India didn't pick him and went to Ocon and bringind Massa back from retirement.



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: AlanJones (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 08:07

Ocon was already signed as well as Wehrlein. But Ocon and Verstappen are the biggest talents to have joined F1 since Raikkonen, Hamilton or Vettel. In my book I go even further, because Max is proper F1 royalty. Like Senna and Schumacher. Ocon also belongs up there. The guy is seriously good.
Behind those two, you will see Vandoorne, Sainz and Wehrlein. Vandoorne is good, but getting older already. His break needs to be there withing now and two years. Sainz needs to show what he can do now that he is finally at Renault. Wehrlein has had appalling cars to drive with. And with this pieces of junk, he has scored points. In my book, that's more impressive than Sainz scoring points in a Toro Rosso or Vandoorne scoring points.
In my point of view, you are very biased Marco. You seem to want to think you know it best. But you seem to be forgetting to look at various situations in an objective manner. You simply can not compare Wehrleins performances to the ones done by others. You will have to look at it in the way it is: he drives a worse car than the McLaren Honda. And still the guy does magic with it. That's proper racing craft that he has showed. And I will bet you, he would have done a better job than Stroll. And I will seriously applaud if Wehrleins came to our team. Last year I had my doubts. But after this year Im certain that we would do a proper and good job for us. I would love to see him team up with Kubica or to get Wehrlein as our reserve driver. Anything is better than Di Resta. And getting Wehrlein as our reserve driver would be a good move. Getting Wehrlein as our racing driver would be even better.




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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 08:53

That's your opinion Alan and I do respect it. I don't think I know more than others, but it is also true I would prefer Robert.
As a test driver Wehrlein would be good for us if Kubica failed to show his speed.



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: TerraNova19 (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 10:40

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That's your opinion Alan and I do respect it. I don't think I know more than others, but it is also true I would prefer Robert.
As a test driver Wehrlein would be good for us if Kubica failed to show his speed.

Regarding Wehrlein I am on the fence.
If Paddy Lowe think of him as very good then I am ok.

But a possible solution for Williams will be to hire Robert and Wehrlein will be the backup for them.

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Gunk (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 11:06

By the way, Kvyat is definitely out at STR. Marko does not believe there will be a turnaround. It's Hartley and Gasly for the remaining races.

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 11:13

Robert, he is not the guy he used to be. If he was, he would be signed already.

Take kvyat to a psychologist and then pair him with wehrlein. Then i think you have the best pairing williams can get for next year.



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Duffer (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 11:14

By the way, is hartly all there? He seems pretty odd when he does an interview. Kind of weird.



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Polemik (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 12:42

Nico Rosberg = nickname "Britney"
(because of his feminine appearance, especially blond hair)

Brendon Hartley = nickname "Britney II."
(his porn-name is also funny)

(Sm1)(Sm1)(Sm1)

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 18:31

We will probably give Massa another leaving party then ring him up again and ask him to come back once everyone else has been exhausted and said no.

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: TerraNova19 (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 19:39

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We will probably give Massa another leaving party then ring him up again and ask him to come back once everyone else has been exhausted and said no.

No, he will ask for more money! smiling smiley

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Stu69 (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 20:19

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We will probably give Massa another leaving party then ring him up again and ask him to come back once everyone else has been exhausted and said no.

No, he will ask for more money! smiling smiley

He has already had one leaving present! I hope they donít buy him another clock!

Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
Date: 25 October, 2017 21:14

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We will probably give Massa another leaving party then ring him up again and ask him to come back once everyone else has been exhausted and said no.

No, he will ask for more money! smiling smiley

He has already had one leaving present! I hope they donít buy him another clock!

They should buy him two, he has two hands as he said today.



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Re: Wehrlein in Williams?
Posted by: Marco Cardoso (IP Logged)
Date: 26 October, 2017 10:32

Kubica brings Group Lotos and OlimpSportNutrition as Williams partners if Williams chooses to sign him. Who does Wehrlein brings in or is it some kind of engine discount.
His having talks this next week with Sauber and Wolff about his future.
I saw some interviews from Pascal he does seem like a nice chap.. but looks a bit childish and doesn't seem to have a big set-up/development knowledge.



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